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Re: Italy Mafia V6.5 - Weapon / Gun Dealing explained.

Posted: May 12th, 2013, 1:12 pm
by Eddie
'Suppressed Pistol' wrote:
Felix wrote:Ah nice but........What will happen to the unofficials now? well it would be pretty hard for them to get these materials.
scroll up.
They can still go shouting around main bank for guns.

Re: Italy Mafia V6.5 - Weapon / Gun Dealing explained.

Posted: May 12th, 2013, 1:59 pm
by Alez8
I appreciate the effort to increase the level of rp. but after 3 years of civilian gundealing this change is really hard to accept..

Re: Italy Mafia V6.5 - Weapon / Gun Dealing explained.

Posted: May 12th, 2013, 2:02 pm
by Phantasmagoria
Ah! It smells so tasty! It's wonderful to see is roleplaying growth. Good job woot! :)

Re: Italy Mafia V6.5 - Weapon / Gun Dealing explained.

Posted: May 12th, 2013, 2:06 pm
by Kjetil
Alez8 wrote:I appreciate the effort to increase the level of rp. but after 3 years of civilian gundealing this change is really hard to accept..
Pay attention, you don't need to be in a faction. Like before you still need to be connected to it.

Re: Italy Mafia V6.5 - Weapon / Gun Dealing explained.

Posted: May 12th, 2013, 2:24 pm
by Paco_Pakito
Since the guns seem really slow to produce, I did some math in this subject.

As it was said, in each second the warehouse produces 3 materials...therefore:

3(materials) * 3600 (seconds) = 10800 materials produced by hour

10800(materials/hour) * 24 (hours) = 259200 materials produced by day

259200 (materials/day) * 5 (factions) = 1296000 materials produced by day by every faction (stracci, barz, cueo, kemi, tatta)

1296000 (materials/day) / 800 (materials/m4a1) = 1620 M4's per day

So even if all the factions have their warehouse producing guns 24/7, only 1620 m4's are produced per day. With the ammount of time people die and rearm, and taking in account that people also byt shotguns, deagles, rifles, etc. I think this value is a bit small....

Does woot has any historical average number of how many guns used to be sold per day? and how many guns of each type?

This may be good for the server, cause it will decrease the usage of guns, however I think its not only a change in the gun dealing system but in the whole way of acting in the server.

Re: Italy Mafia V6.5 - Weapon / Gun Dealing explained.

Posted: May 12th, 2013, 2:52 pm
by K3
Paco_Pakito wrote:Since the guns seem really slow to produce, I did some math in this subject.

As it was said, in each second the warehouse produces 3 materials...therefore:

3(materials) * 3600 (seconds) = 10800 materials produced by hour

10800(materials/hour) * 24 (hours) = 259200 materials produced by day

259200 (materials/day) * 5 (factions) = 1296000 materials produced by day by every faction (stracci, barz, cueo, kemi, tatta)

1296000 (materials/day) / 800 (materials/m4a1) = 1620 M4's per day

So even if all the factions have their warehouse producing guns 24/7, only 1620 m4's are produced per day. With the ammount of time people die and rearm, and taking in account that people also byt shotguns, deagles, rifles, etc. I think this value is a bit small....

Does woot has any historical average number of how many guns used to be sold per day? and how many guns of each type?

This may be good for the server, cause it will decrease the usage of guns, however I think its not only a change in the gun dealing system but in the whole way of acting in the server.
Think twice before purchasing and carrying guns.
Get a weapons license and care no more for materials.

Use melee weapons purchasable from 24/7 and Hardware stores.

Re: Italy Mafia V6.5 - Weapon / Gun Dealing explained.

Posted: May 12th, 2013, 3:01 pm
by Paco_Pakito
K3lroy wrote: Think twice before purchasing and carrying guns.
Get a weapons license and care no more for materials.

Use melee weapons purchasable from 24/7 and Hardware stores.
For me its not a problem, since I'm used to buy almost all my weapons in the legal gunstore...

Just think it will change the amount of guns in server, which I didn't say its bad... I think it's good actually. However I was trying to understand if with this update woot tried to reduce the amount of guns in server, or if it may happen by mistake.

Re: Italy Mafia V6.5 - Weapon / Gun Dealing explained.

Posted: May 12th, 2013, 3:31 pm
by K3
Paco_Pakito wrote:
K3lroy wrote: Think twice before purchasing and carrying guns.
Get a weapons license and care no more for materials.

Use melee weapons purchasable from 24/7 and Hardware stores.
For me its not a problem, since I'm used to buy almost all my weapons in the legal gunstore...

Just think it will change the amount of guns in server, which I didn't say its bad... I think it's good actually. However I was trying to understand if with this update woot tried to reduce the amount of guns in server, or if it may happen by mistake.
Oh. I'm too used to negative comments.
But yes, I'm pretty sure it's to reduce the guns, which we've been trying for a long time.

Re: Italy Mafia V6.5 - Weapon / Gun Dealing explained.

Posted: May 12th, 2013, 3:47 pm
by VincentGambino
I just went to the quarry and there were 3 helicopters flying around either waiting to hijack trucks or to see if it was clear to bring them in. I love how this brings a whole new element of strategy into the game. Its like a cat and mouse game of when to transport, which routes to take and then you gotta keep your T1 alive so the warehouse stays locked. Looking forward to seeing what kind of routines people can come up with, I just hope it wont turn into mass DM.

Re: Italy Mafia V6.5 - Weapon / Gun Dealing explained.

Posted: May 12th, 2013, 3:49 pm
by Aleya BANNED
It's too bad Quarries are out of Los Santos, where LSPD won't be able to investigate traffic according to its Jurisdiction.

Re: Italy Mafia V6.5 - Weapon / Gun Dealing explained.

Posted: May 12th, 2013, 3:57 pm
by ialokiN
'Suppressed Pistol' wrote:
Felix wrote:Ah nice but........What will happen to the unofficials now? well it would be pretty hard for them to get these materials.
scroll up.
You think i did not see that?
'Suppressed Pistol' wrote:
Lynx wrote:
Aleyazor wrote:
Lynx wrote:Big problem for unofficials !
How so?
How are they supposed to get guns when only officials can own the warehouses?
get a brain

officials sell guns to civilians and unofficials.
What makes you think officials will sell some of them when they will need for their own sake , selling will rarely take place.

Re: Italy Mafia V6.5 - Weapon / Gun Dealing explained.

Posted: May 12th, 2013, 4:08 pm
by Luigi Tattaglia
K3lroy wrote:
Paco_Pakito wrote:Since the guns seem really slow to produce, I did some math in this subject.

As it was said, in each second the warehouse produces 3 materials...therefore:

3(materials) * 3600 (seconds) = 10800 materials produced by hour

10800(materials/hour) * 24 (hours) = 259200 materials produced by day

259200 (materials/day) * 5 (factions) = 1296000 materials produced by day by every faction (stracci, barz, cueo, kemi, tatta)

1296000 (materials/day) / 800 (materials/m4a1) = 1620 M4's per day

So even if all the factions have their warehouse producing guns 24/7, only 1620 m4's are produced per day. With the ammount of time people die and rearm, and taking in account that people also byt shotguns, deagles, rifles, etc. I think this value is a bit small....

Does woot has any historical average number of how many guns used to be sold per day? and how many guns of each type?

This may be good for the server, cause it will decrease the usage of guns, however I think its not only a change in the gun dealing system but in the whole way of acting in the server.
Think twice before purchasing and carrying guns.
Get a weapons license and care no more for materials.

Use melee weapons purchasable from 24/7 and Hardware stores.
^ what Kelroy said.

Also, you may apply for a weapon license, but then again you gotta pay a lot more since those guns are legal.

Guns shouldnt be easy to get to. Now families supply civilian gundealers and they need to meet up and roleplay a materials exchange.

Re: Italy Mafia V6.5 - Weapon / Gun Dealing explained.

Posted: May 12th, 2013, 4:13 pm
by musama1
Paco_Pakito wrote:Since the guns seem really slow to produce, I did some math in this subject.

As it was said, in each second the warehouse produces 3 materials...therefore:

3(materials) * 3600 (seconds) = 10800 materials produced by hour

10800(materials/hour) * 24 (hours) = 259200 materials produced by day

259200 (materials/day) * 5 (factions) = 1296000 materials produced by day by every faction (stracci, barz, cueo, kemi, tatta)

1296000 (materials/day) / 800 (materials/m4a1) = 1620 M4's per day

So even if all the factions have their warehouse producing guns 24/7, only 1620 m4's are produced per day. With the ammount of time people die and rearm, and taking in account that people also byt shotguns, deagles, rifles, etc. I think this value is a bit small....

Does woot has any historical average number of how many guns used to be sold per day? and how many guns of each type?

This may be good for the server, cause it will decrease the usage of guns, however I think its not only a change in the gun dealing system but in the whole way of acting in the server.
remember SDC and Corleone are here (SDC went iligal)

Re: Italy Mafia V6.5 - Weapon / Gun Dealing explained.

Posted: May 12th, 2013, 5:04 pm
by Sly
Melee weapon's usage could be encouraged, by making them cheaper and easily obtainable. It's stupid to pay 15k entrance + amount for weapon each time. People just prefer to use a handgun over it as it's a lot cheaper.

Maybe make melee weapon a perm holda'ble weapon or cheaper as crafted with materials or something.
(phone)

Re: Italy Mafia V6.5 - Weapon / Gun Dealing explained.

Posted: May 12th, 2013, 5:57 pm
by BA™AN
man each $3000 is still too much, make it 1/$10

Re: Italy Mafia V6.5 - Weapon / Gun Dealing explained.

Posted: May 12th, 2013, 5:59 pm
by 'Suppressed Pistol'
BA™AN wrote:man each $3000 is still too much, make it 1/$10
no.

Re: Italy Mafia V6.5 - Weapon / Gun Dealing explained.

Posted: May 12th, 2013, 6:26 pm
by Kjetil
Sly wrote:Melee weapon's usage could be encouraged, by making them cheaper and easily obtainable. It's stupid to pay 15k entrance + amount for weapon each time. People just prefer to use a handgun over it as it's a lot cheaper.

Maybe make melee weapon a perm holda'ble weapon or cheaper as crafted with materials or something.
(phone)
It's stupid that you have to pay for the entrance at all.

Re: Italy Mafia V6.5 - Weapon / Gun Dealing explained.

Posted: May 12th, 2013, 6:28 pm
by Rap
This is a pain in the ass for un-officials.

Re: Italy Mafia V6.5 - Weapon / Gun Dealing explained.

Posted: May 12th, 2013, 6:29 pm
by BA™AN
and make it simple runs with other vehicle as an old runs

Re: Italy Mafia V6.5 - Weapon / Gun Dealing explained.

Posted: May 12th, 2013, 6:43 pm
by Rap
i hope there is a way of adding rules as i got DM-ed as soon as i got a truck.

Re: Italy Mafia V6.5 - Weapon / Gun Dealing explained.

Posted: May 12th, 2013, 7:09 pm
by Kjetil
Rap wrote:This is a pain in the ass for un-officials.
Forces them to role play with officials a bit better?

Re: Italy Mafia V6.5 - Weapon / Gun Dealing explained.

Posted: May 12th, 2013, 7:16 pm
by Hamze
Kjetil wrote:
Rap wrote:This is a pain in the ass for un-officials.
Forces them to role play with officials a bit better?
Janitor.

I like this update it's a beast, one of the best updates ever in this server and will probably get more people to the server.

Re: Italy Mafia V6.5 - Weapon / Gun Dealing explained.

Posted: May 12th, 2013, 7:16 pm
by Rap
Kjetil wrote:
Rap wrote:This is a pain in the ass for un-officials.
Forces them to role play with officials a bit better?
Yeah but some officials are stuck up their own asses and only RP with other officials.

Re: Italy Mafia V6.5 - Weapon / Gun Dealing explained.

Posted: May 12th, 2013, 7:39 pm
by Kjetil
Rap wrote:
Kjetil wrote:
Rap wrote:This is a pain in the ass for un-officials.
Forces them to role play with officials a bit better?
Yeah but some officials are stuck up their own asses and only RP with other officials.
That means they are missing out the fun with unofficials. Simply find someone who does

Re: Italy Mafia V6.5 - Weapon / Gun Dealing explained.

Posted: May 12th, 2013, 7:41 pm
by Rap
Kjetil wrote:
Rap wrote:
Kjetil wrote:
Rap wrote:This is a pain in the ass for un-officials.
Forces them to role play with officials a bit better?
Yeah but some officials are stuck up their own asses and only RP with other officials.
That means they are missing out the fun with unofficials. Simply find someone who does
Only ones I can think of is Cuneo.
However the other factions are just full of stuck up bitches that don't give anyone else a chance.
In my opinion this should have a system for un-officials too.

Re: Italy Mafia V6.5 - Weapon / Gun Dealing explained.

Posted: May 12th, 2013, 7:46 pm
by Luigi Tattaglia
Rap wrote:
Kjetil wrote:
Rap wrote:
Kjetil wrote:
Rap wrote:This is a pain in the ass for un-officials.
Forces them to role play with officials a bit better?
Yeah but some officials are stuck up their own asses and only RP with other officials.
That means they are missing out the fun with unofficials. Simply find someone who does
Only ones I can think of is Cuneo.
However the other factions are just full of stuck up bitches that don't give anyone else a chance.
In my opinion this should have a system for un-officials too.
Unofficials have to bend down in order to recieve materials. It is how things are supposed to be.

Re: Italy Mafia V6.5 - Weapon / Gun Dealing explained.

Posted: May 12th, 2013, 7:47 pm
by Rap
Luigi Tattaglia wrote:
Rap wrote:
Kjetil wrote:
Rap wrote:
Kjetil wrote:
Rap wrote:This is a pain in the ass for un-officials.
Forces them to role play with officials a bit better?
Yeah but some officials are stuck up their own asses and only RP with other officials.
That means they are missing out the fun with unofficials. Simply find someone who does
Only ones I can think of is Cuneo.
However the other factions are just full of stuck up bitches that don't give anyone else a chance.
In my opinion this should have a system for un-officials too.
Unofficials have to bend down in order to recieve materials. It is how things are supposed to be.
That is not a fair system though.
Now factions will be so far up their own asses, unbelievable.
Im sure woot can work something out for the un-officials.

Re: Italy Mafia V6.5 - Weapon / Gun Dealing explained.

Posted: May 12th, 2013, 7:52 pm
by Luccifer.
There'll be loooooooot of enjoyable jaaaacking ^^

Re: Italy Mafia V6.5 - Weapon / Gun Dealing explained.

Posted: May 12th, 2013, 7:54 pm
by Rap
Luccifer. wrote:There'll be loooooooot of enjoyable jaaaacking ^^
Not enjoyable, just continuous DM.

Re: Italy Mafia V6.5 - Weapon / Gun Dealing explained.

Posted: May 12th, 2013, 8:12 pm
by Paco_Pakito
If unofficials had the same benefits as officials... What would be the point of distinguish them??