Is a taze gives you vaild reason to kill?

[Stav Cuneo]

it seems that the rules are wrong since i was jailed cause i killed a cop who was about to arrest me
therefore i need a clear answer...

[Joey_Bonanno]

Yes..
you may shoot him even if he attempts to frisk you.

[Aleya BANNED]

The admin who jailed you has to be dumb, sorry.
According to the rules you are allowed to shoot/kill that cop if he attempts to arrest you.

[Roberto]

Why you should kill a cop who is attenpting to frisk you!? It doesn't make any sense

[Aleya BANNED]

@Roberto: Implying everything in IM makes sense.
- He wasn't frisking him, he said. He was about to ARREST him.

[Sly]

You're allowed to kill a cop, if he's about to arrest you or one of your friend. But if you just provoke that arrest so you can get a spare kill, it's obviously intended to gain a reason to kill and is retarded [According to the report you're referring to]. I'll simplify it for you.

• You drove a car equipped with bombs to police department parking, with prior intention to use it there.
• You as well had a remote ready in your hands, another proof of prior intention to bomb them.
• You were asked to stop trespassing the restricted area, you failed to comply after several warnings and were tazed.
• You had NO reasons at all to be there. [You claimed for your bike which was outside already and then you claimed for MV, which you obviously never get from garage door but from inside the PD lobby]
• I'm pretty sure you bought that car bomb to use against Kemirov but unfortunately somehow you were unable to do so, so you thought.. ok I have spent 100k on that bomb and I'm not gonna use it? wtf.. let's bomb some LEOs.
• Sumerrizing it you pretty much invited that arrest on yourself with intentions of utilizing that bomb.

Ask yourself this question, 'Why did I go to police department restricted area with a car full of explosives and trigger remote in my hands?' and you'll get the answer which will justify that jail.
You're allowed to kill LEOs if they are about to arrest you, and not when they attempt to frisk you all the times unless you've very good reasons to do so.

However in my opinion it's pretty retarded to provoke an arrest for a minor crime such as traffic violation or something non-lethal crime just so you can get in gun battle or kill cops is pretty retarded.

[Stav Cuneo]

You're allowed to kill a cop, if he's about to arrest you or one of your friend. But if you just provoke that arrest so you can get a spare kill, it's obviously intended to gain a reason to kill and is retarded [According to the report you're referring to]. I'll simplify it for you.

• You drove a car equipped with bombs to police department parking, with prior intention to use it there.
• You as well had a remote ready in your hands, another proof of prior intention to bomb them.
• You were asked to stop trespassing the restricted area, you failed to comply after several warnings and were tazed.
• You had NO reasons at all to be there. [You claimed for your bike which was outside already and then you claimed for MV, which you obviously never get from garage door but from inside the PD lobby]
• I'm pretty sure you bought that car bomb to use against Kemirov but unfortunately somehow you were unable to do so, so you thought.. ok I have spent 100k on that bomb and I'm not gonna use it? wtf.. let's bomb some LEOs.
• Sumerrizing it you pretty much invited that arrest on yourself with intentions of utilizing that bomb.

Ask yourself this question, 'Why did I go to police department restricted area with a car full of explosives and trigger remote in my hands?' and you'll get the answer which will justify that jail.
You're allowed to kill LEOs if they are about to arrest you, and not when they attempt to frisk you all the times unless you've very good reasons to do so.

However in my opinion it's pretty retarded to provoke an arrest for a minor crime such as traffic violation or something non-lethal crime just so you can get in gun battle or kill cops is pretty retarded.

Okay but.. It doesn't matter what i provoked and IF i provoked(I clearly disagree with you although it's not the point here).. He tazed me hence i have the right to kill him
arent I? or did i misunderstand the rules...

[Sly]

You kept the remote out way prior he even decided to taze/arrest you, which shows your intentions to kill him without a proper reason.
Mind explaining that?

[Stav Cuneo]

Well i thought he was going to arrest me so i kept the remote in my hand.. in case he will taze me.. although again it isnt the point
the same question again, ACCORDING to the rules, if a cop taze you and probably about to arrest you.., . does it give you the right to kill him?
All i am asking is yes or no...

[Sly]

You broke following rules while doing so
These are pretty clear ones.
You provoked them to arrest you so you can use the car bomb at police department garage. Both of the deeds you performed [Provoking, killing at PD] are considered as rulebreaking.

22) Do not kill inside the Police Department without a proper reason.

If you do not have a VERY valid reason to kill someone inside the police department(and the area around it, the police garage, etc.), you will be punished. If you are able to kill your target outside the PD, do so instead. You are advised to ask an admin before killing inside the PD.

Punishments:

Same as DM.

11) Do not ram/provoke people.

Provoking other players without a valid RP reason is not allowed. Example:
Continously ramming PD vehicles to provoke a chase.

Punishments:

60-120 Minutes adminjail
Or a warning

The rules of IM are pretty liberal and after playing for a while [in your case a long while] lets you find loop holes into it's rulebook, which you're obviously trying to abuse in your advantage here. There is pretty thin line between the situation there. It requires to put those two and two together and judge your aim. That's why this line in the last paragraph of rule for deathmatching exists.

These examples are only a handful of situations that are common. They are only provided to help you better understand this rule. Just because a certain situation isn't listed here as an example, doesn't mean it's not DM.

1) Do not deathmatch.

Deathmatch is when you kill or attempt to kill another player without a valid reason. You're only allowed to kill someone to protect e.g. your brother or a friend(not someone you've just said hi to) or when your life is in danger or you're about to be e.g. arrested.
Examples of what you should not do:
A police unit turns their sirens on and orders you to pull over, without knowing what they're pulling you over for, you just gun them down. You should at least wait and see what they want, if you're armed and they tell you they're going to frisk you and you don't want to get caught, you're obviously allowed to do something about it. Basically, you're allowed to kill LEOs if they're about to arrest you, but you're not allowed to kill them for e.g. giving you a ticket.

Spawnkill is also classed as DM. Spawnkilling(SK) is when you kill someone who has just spawned. Players who have just spawned should have a "Just Spawned" sign over their heads. The "Just Spawned" tag disappears when the player has bought a weapon. An example of spawnkilling is if you are planning to kill a player with the "JS" tag, the player walks into a gunshop, buys a gun and exits the building(JS tag disappears). Unless the player is being aggressive against you, you should let him/her at least have a chance to get away from the gunshop.
See War Rules for mafia war spawnkill rules.

You and another player crash into eachother(with e.g. your cars), you get out and open fire at the other driver.
Someone insults you(light insult, e.g. idiot, cocksucker) and you kill him. You're allowed to teach the guy a lesson, but you're not allowed to kill him(unless you're e.g. a mafia boss and your own cocky member is insulting you).

You're taxing the /buyguns place, someone arrives there & you let him know he needs to pay a fee to pass and buy his guns, but he doesn't want to so he simply leaves, and because of that you kill him. If you're taxing a place, you need to be prepared for players to just simply turn around and leave because they don't want to pay that extra money.

You're being beaten up by a new player(newbie) who has not read the rules, without being close to death or even trying to get away, you kill the newbie. Instead of doing that, you can either use /report or /irc to get assistance from an admin or helper, or just run away.

You kill someone who is trespassing your property before making it perfectly clear to them that they should leave your property.

These examples are only a handful of situations that are common. They are only provided to help you better understand this rule. Just because a certain situation isn't listed here as an example, doesn't mean it's not DM.

Punishments:

120-240 Minutes adminjail
or 24-9999999 hour account ban
or permanent IP ban

You should thank Nino for not banning you for abusing the car bomb system. You might have killed high number of innocent passer-bys and convert the situation in a mass DM with car bomb abuse which pretty much most of the times results in a ban.

[Stav Cuneo]

I asked for yes or no and you gave me so much more...

I was tazed, the reason doesn't matter whether i provoked it or not.
The fact that i was tazed and was about to get arrest gives me a reason to kill
Yes or No?

[Sly]

You're as I stated, trying to find a loophole in the rules.
You're allowed to kill if it's a normal arrest, You're not allowed to kill and can get jailed if you created that situation out of your retarded brain because you're too bored just for the hell with it.

[Stav Cuneo]

No need to insult.. moreover according to you am i not allowed to kill a cop who tazed me?..
When it's "special" arrested ,does that mean i cannot kill the cop who tazed me?

[Sly]

I said it pretty clearly. You're allowed to kill the cop who tazed you. You'll get admin jailed if you intentionally bring that taze to you so you get to kill him. This situation can be similarly classified as one of the provoking a shootout situation by insulting or ramming someone. The punishment as per the rules is equal as deathmatching.

[Stav Cuneo]

I said it pretty clearly. You're allowed to kill the cop who tazed you. You'll get admin jailed if you intentionally bring that taze to you so you get to kill him.

So when i use /rob just so i can get an excuse to DM someone would it count DM aswell?
Or more likely when i rp with a cop just to make him mad and then he'd attempt to arrest me.. just so i can kill him,would it count DM?

[Sly]

There is no /rob is present in this situation.

Anyway, question has been answered in general and also explained to you for your situation. You really need to stop with this rage threads. You could have simply discussed this with Nino over PM since it was really his decision which was perfectly correct btw.

[Stav Cuneo]

Yeah, sorry but im done with Leo ,it isn't a rage thread ... you really gotta understand the difference...
The quesiton wasn't answered sly.
"You'll get admin jailed if you intentionally bring that taze to you so you get to kill him"
Does it count DM to kill the guy who tazed me?

[Sly]

Read the answers again.

[Stav Cuneo]

There's no need to read what i aleady did about your statement that i provoked it
Although i will ask again, does it count DM(DM = Killing someone without a vaild reason)
It might count provoking although it isn't my question

[Aleya BANNED]

Lol.
Why bother writing all that?
Whatever the reason is, if a LEO attempts to arrest you, you have the right to shoot and kill him.
You are not allowed to kill him if and only if he is pulling you over or frisking you.

[Joey_Bonanno]

Lol.
Why bother writing all that?
Whatever the reason is, if a LEO attempts to arrest you, you have the right to shoot and kill him.
You are not allowed to kill him if and only if he is pulling you over or frisking you.

YOU are allowed to kill if he is trying to frisk you. That will lead to an arrest, It is only a matter of time till he finds ur guns/ drugs, tazes, arrests.

[Stav Cuneo]

I think i got my answer... unless anyone has anything to add lock it please.. thanks
(although i find it very confusing)

[Italy Mafia RP]

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